November 5, 2005

Seminar Discussion III: “Podcasting” by Hopesome

Posted in CBC 2005 - Day 1 at 8:05 am by Angelo Embuldeniya

“hopesome” is moderating the session – on the mic at the moment:
Hopesome is introducing other podcasters: wang wei, ken, leo (Liu) and baixiaoyu

 

 

They’re going to have an interactive discussion on podcasting which may not have any real outcome but hopes to cover issues of common concern.

Hopesome starts off with first question:
Podcasting is it a very new thing?

(guy #1) A guy comes up to podium, introduces himself as jack who is a former microsoft employee and does some stuff related to podcasting. He joins the panel.
He’s doing a new podcasting site.

According to hopesome podcast is the next generation of broadcasting.

(guy #2): its a way for people to express their own voices
(guy #3): podcasting as extension of blogs, with the ability to do multimedia
(guy #4): technology advances give us the opportunity to express ourselves in new ways
(guy #5): easier to express through voice than through text
(guy #6): podcast is extension of blog

Hopesome asks how many people in the room are podcasters. about 10 raise their hands

 

 

He asks jack (#1) about the state of podcasting in china:
jack says theyre still in early stage here, in the states they’ve only been going for about a year. Theres probably 10-20 thousand chinese podcasters. Its not as intense as bloggers. Jack hopes they will eventually become a more habitual mode of expression.

Hopesome: itunes has caused podcasts to increase?
(#2) tudou replies: podcasting here is different than in the u.s. Many of the podcasts are just fun
but there are some interesting things, like one guy has been reading out each article of criminal law one by one into the podcasts.

(applause)

Using it as an educational tool.

Tudou gives some other examples of how people are using podcasts differently, recording conquests w/ girls, etc.

Hopesome continues asking questions, and asks bai xiaoyu what he thinks:

Bai Xiaoyu replies: everybody now has personal channel & its an issue of copyright.

 

 

At this point the podcasters are starting to argue about who has coppyright and who doesn’t.

Its not like only pop stars and famous people have copyright
You have to respect people who do or don’t want you to use their material
There isnt necessarily a direct relationship between podcast and music

Hopesome asks about fair use question:

bxy says: stop viewing yourself as a consumer. you are a creator
we cant think that only those authors and pop stars have copyright
the copyright laws aren’t made to fit the current situation
they treat us all like consumers they dont anticipate that were all creators
but hes not encouraging people to pirate the popstars music he advocates ignoring it

question: how do you control your material
answer: political stuff pretty much all gets taken off
the porn is not hard to police
one guy points out – its amazing the extent to which chinese people are now willing to put photos of themselves and each other online

question: do you automate policing or human?
answer: you need people to do it. based on “i know it when i see it” principle

 

 

 

Guy #2: when web first existed in china there were a lot of people wanted to control but so far no big website has been shut down due to content posted on it. He says that the issue of controlling content is an issue but not insurmountable while big sites not shut down, smaller ones have been. This also has to do w/ the way in which big sites cooperate w/ authorities

Question of the cost of monitoring once volume increases: the filtering of text uses keywords, how do you use keywords for audio?

tudou says: once you get to a certain point there will be no way to control it all, nobody can stop this flow – unstoppable trend.

Tagged: cnbloggercon, 中文网志年会, CBC2005

 

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18 Comments »

  1. bxy said,

    I said podcast is rss feed with enclousre, so let’s go back to talk what is blog rather than talking so enthusiatically about the “next thing” or “the next next thing” after blog. My metaphor is it’s like an email with attachment is still a email.

    Thanks for not misquoting me! I can see you are a blogger, not a jounalist. 🙂

    Though there were much more conversation going on there, nobody expects you to cover it all.

    Well done.

  2. bxy said,

    I said podcast is rss feed with enclousre, so let’s go back to talk what is blog rather than talking so enthusiatically about the “next thing” or “the next next thing” after blog. My metaphor is it’s like an email with attachment is still a email.

    On copyright, I said don’t worry about that too much. Do a monolog on whatever you’d like to talk about, whose copyright you gonna infringe by doing that. Podcast is not about music, at least, dont contraint it to that. If you are into musci podcast, boycoott major lables because they’ve been treating their customers like they are consumers, and only consumers(pay me, pay me again), like cirminals(“steal music” ). Use creatvie commons stuff, indie lable, or your friends’s stuff. Do your own stuff, till the day OUR stuff overwhelmed the big publishers. If one day the riaa like issused a podcast license (pay to play maybe), don’t even embrace that. Let’s marginalize them as they’ve been marginalize most artists. The metaphor here is you tell me on signed artitis, I tell you 100 un-signed artists.

    In podcast/blog, it’s not about being polular, being perfect, it’s about we talk to our friends, we entertain our friends. Maybe you are not a good singer, but your friends will certainly enjoy your more.:)

    Thanks for not misquoting me! I can see you are a blogger, not a jounalist. 🙂

    Though there were much more conversation going on there, nobody expects you to cover it all.

    Well done.

  3. bxy said,

    — The metaphor here is you tell me on signed artitis, I tell you 100
    — un-signed artists.

    It’s supposed to be “you tell me ONE signed artist”, no “on”.

    Lots of spelling errors. Sorry for that.

    The point is, I paraphrase Eben Moglen (he is my hero! http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/ hope I get his point correct): it used to be there were “authors” and “published authors”. The latter are the ones who’ve been “chosen” by the publishers. The publishers chose to create a high barrier for publishing so there was artificial scarcity, so we will spend our money on those few “chose” stuff presented to us, so there could be economy of scale in publishing.

    The internet changes all that, the blog as a powerful tool empowers individual more than before. We can be published authors/artistis. Now, your stuff don’t have to be fit in the publishers’s agenda to get published.

  4. bxy said,

    all my words are released under creative commons share-alike license. 😉

    have fun to remix them, playa~

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